Derek DeFields - Earth Ride

[Lee Collins]

Hmm, it could be too clangy, yea. But what cymbal is it that chambers is using in that clip? I mean it sounds great, is it not an earth ride?

[Derek DeFields]

yeah that's an earth ride. Smaller sticks make it less clangy and more pingy. Still too harsh and bright for me though.

[Drumdawg]

Not me, Steve must have it...
anybody have some old 602 hats laying around that they don't want?
Sammy J

[Lee Collins]

Well I use lighter sticks anyway so it would probably be perfect. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[CLWarunki]

In that video clip of Chambers the ride looks to be way too brilliant for an earth ride, which were all unlathed and with a raw/natural "earthy" finish - how can you be sure that's an earth ride?

[Lee Collins]

That's what I was thinking too chris, it doesn't look anything like an earth ride, too shiny. I think it was Da Chooch ( not trying to put him on the spot or anything [img]tongue.gif[/img] ) that thought dennis used an earth ride on the buddy rich video so that's what got me thinking it might be. [img]confused.gif[/img]

[Lee Collins]

Ok, it is an earth ride. I made a post here >

http://www.cymbalholic.com/forum/sho...0056#post70056


Edit: woa, I hadn't considered the Z customs. I just had a listen to some soundbites. The 20" Z custom power ride and the 21" megabell ride are awesome and have a bit more wash than the earth. Forget the earth ride then. [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

<font color="#a62a2a"><font size="1">[ November 17, 2005 03:27 PM: Message edited by: Rudy_Ment ]</font></font>

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ November 17, 2005 04:31 PM: Message edited by: Rudy_Ment ]</font>

[mja61]

I couldn't see the clip, but Dennis used an Earth ride on his two videos, and I assume on the Scofield albums "Blue Matter," "Loud Jazz," and "Pick Hits Live." Mangini was using one the last few times I saw him in clinic and it sounded pretty bad ass for high-energy music...especially the bell.

IMO, one type of cymbal Zildjian is sorely missing from its lineup is something like a thinner (but not too thin) version of the Earth Ride and K Custom Ride...perhaps something like an HHX ride....21" or 22" model that's dark, and yet has depth, body, definition and a formidable bell, but without being clangy.

Zildjian has far too many of variants of the Special Dry Ride and Constantinople idea: dark and sophisticated, but too thin, too washy, and with too wimpy of a bell.

<...end of rant...>

[Lee Collins]

I agree about the too many variants of washy cymbals. What do you reckon to the Z series?

[mja61]

From what I've seen (...er "heard" [img]redface.gif[/img] ) the Z series is darker, thinner, more sophisticated, more playable, and in general just plain better than they were 20 years ago.

The Z-Custom rides probably have a bit more spread than the Earth Ride, but the Z's can sound too brittle or "metallic" to my ears. The Earth may be clangy, but it's at least a darker, more sophisticated kind of clang.

The Z rides are too heavy for what I'm looking for (I'd just get a K-Custom Ride instead), but I think a Z-Custom crash would actually make a good ride: they're about the right thickness, a bit on the darker side, nice combination of definition and wash, and a respectable bell. However, I like a 21" or 22" ride, and the Z crashes at best (I think) only come in 19" and perhaps 20" sizes.

I guess my hang up is that for the sake of putting together a matched "set" of cymbals, it just seems out of whack to have a 22" ride with a smaller, wimpier bell than my 18" A-Custom crash.

It sounds like one of the heavier A-Custom Rides ("ping" or "projection" models) might be just what you're looking for, Rudy...

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ November 17, 2005 05:55 PM: Message edited by: mja61 ]</font>